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JMG Interview: Ireland's Panti Bliss

A few day after Ireland's historic marriage referendum, I interviewed activist / drag legend Panti Bliss for Pride Magazine. An edited version of the interview is now in print and the full interview is below.
JMG: First of all, huge congratulations on the marriage referendum! What's it like to find yourself on the front pages of newspapers and websites around the world?
PANTI: It depends which picture they used! But clearly even God Herself was thrilled about marriage equality coming to Ireland because Dublin was bathed in glorious unseasonal sunshine that day so everybody looks great in the pictures. And even a bad picture couldn't dampen a drag queen's mood that day. It was a magnificent, joyous, tearful, happy, celebratory day, not just for Ireland's LGBTI community, but for our families, friends and allies too. I suspect that on that day, even some of our opponents secretly wished they were drag queens too.
JMG: We've read that your activist days go back to the 90s. Who came first, Rory the activist or Panti the gender discombobulator?
PANTI: I guess they've always gone hand-in-hand. I've always been stubborn and willful, and I am the child of two principled parents who have never been afraid to stand up and call out what they see as unfairness, and some of that rubbed off on me. But as Rory I am quite reserved, and drag gave me a kind of armour from behind which I felt more comfortable being the focus of attention. And in a way it amplified my voice - people pay more attention to an annoying 6'6" colourful drag queen than they do to an annoying 6' brown-haired guy in a shirt. Though of course as a twenty year old drag queen I was more interested in the free drinks and the boys than I was in changing the world! And I took all the free drinks and all the boys.
JMG: You first got wide notice in the USA with your now-legendary noble call video. How did that speech come about?
PANTI: At the time I was embroiled in a big news story here (which became known as "Pantigate") after I suggested on a TV chat show that Ireland had a problem with homophobia, and named a number of well known journalists and an ultra-Catholic, right-wing organisation which campaigns against equality for LGBTI people. This led to both me and Ireland's national broadcaster being sued for defamation, which in turn led to a national debate about homophobia, free speech, censorship, and the role of the national broadcaster. It was in the middle of all that when the Abbey Theatre (our national theatre) invited me to speak and I agreed because I already had a good relationship with the Abbey, having had my show there previously. But I had absolutely no expectations of that speech. As far as I was concerned I was just making another speech, and assumed the only people who would ever hear it were the five hundred people in the auditorium that night. If I had known then how many people would eventually end up watching it I would have brushed my fucking hair!
JMG:  Following the noble call clip going viral, you made an equally viral TedX talk. Many here commented that you would make a great chat show hostess. Any plans for becoming the Irish Graham Norton?
PANTI: Right now I'm still enjoying traveling with my theatre shows and "discombobulating" people with my activist work, but I've always thought I'd like to do a chat show sometime. I've had a few approaches over the years, but they were never quite right. I haven't ruled it out. I never rule anything out! Except maybe sex with Michael Flatley. I've definitely ruled that out.
JMG: Tell us a bit about your popular Dublin club Pantibar. What kind of crowd do you get? How often do you perform? Do you "channel" any particular artists?
PANTI: I've had the bar for eight years. There aren't many options for aging drag queens (!) so as I approached my forties I thought it might be my pension plan. I imagined myself growing disgracefully old, hanging out behind the bar making a fool of myself over hot Brazilian boys and pulling pints for the gays. Thankfully it all worked out, if not quite how I imagined (except for the growing old part). All the hot Brazilian boys now work behind the bar so hitting on them would be called "workplace sexual harassment", and I ain't ruining my nails by pulling pints! We get a fairly mixed crowd (mostly gay boys of all ages, but plenty of lesbians too, and gay tourists) and although I don't always succeed because I travel a lot with my show, I try to be in Dublin at weekends and hang out and perform there. I don't really "channel" any particular artists, though I am a big Dolly Parton fan. My biggest drag influence is the 1969 movie The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie, starring Maggie Smith. (I know! I can hear the younger gays scratching their heads. Sheesh! Download it kids!)
JMG:  Maury Povitch in 1998. Spill!
PANTI: Haha! You've been doing your research! One day (not long after I got my first e-mail address) I got an e-mail from The Maury Povitch Show who were looking for men, who lived as women, to go on the show with their mother or sister. And the mother/sister would then ask Maury to give their son/brother a 'back to boy make-over'. Of course I’m only a part-time woman (and my poor mother would rather die than go on TV with her drag queen son!) so I just thought it was mildly amusing and forgot about it.
But, that night I was in the pub and told my friend Katherine about it and she said, "I should pretend to be your sister and we could get a free trip to New York out of this!" Well, I young and broke, and that sounded like fun, so I said, "Katherine, welcome to the family!"
So the next day I e-mailed them back and told them about my "sister" Katherine and before we knew it we were getting on a flight to New York. We spent the flight getting drunk and inventing a whole new family background for ourselves and making up stories of our childhood. The whole thing was a hoot and we got a few days in New York hanging out with friends and doing the usual touristy stuff out of it. Of course we also had to record the show, and I had to get an embarrassing "back to boy makeover" on TV, but of course this was many years before YouTube (and Maury wasn't shown in Ireland at the time) so we thought nobody we knew would ever see it! But the Goddamn internet put paid to that, LOL. Oddly, I tell the whole story in my current show. It is a really good story!
JMG: Back to the referendum. One of the most fascinating moments on Saturday was watching you being interviewed alongside Gerry Adams, who is fairly well known among the Irish-American community here on the US east coast. How did you two get on? What did he say to you?
PANTI: Well, I am not a Sinn Fein supporter (these things are much more complicated on this side of the pond), and I was very aware that those photos would get a lot of attention. But I ended up with Gerry simply because he and I and the Minister for Justice were being interviewed together on the live TV broadcast. However, Sinn Fein have long been supporters of gay rights, and long before any of the other major parties they would have a presence in Pride parades here etc. Also earlier that same week Gerry met and was photographed shaking hands and chatting with Prince Charles so I thought I'd top his English prince with an Irish queen!
And it was such a wonderful and celebratory day that I was happy to be pictured with all comers. And on that day there were all comers! Every politician from every party was only too thrilled to embrace the gay that day, and you don't get gayer than me! Gerry is very personable and was very enthusiastic about the result. Everyone was swept up in the incredible atmosphere that day. He's also very quirky-fun. If you haven't already you should check out his Twitter. It's nuts! A mixture of political stuff and the adventures of his stuffed toy bear and his bath toys. Seriously. It is.
JMG: This year you marched in the LGBT-inclusive St. Pats For All Parade in Queens. Do you think the result of the referendum might finally convince NYC's St. Patrick's Day Parade to allow LGBT folks to participate?
PANTI: I'd like to think so but I doubt it. The Ancient Order of Hibernians who organise the Manhattan parade are so calcified and so stuck in a bizarre 1950's view of Ireland I'm not sure they are capable of change anytime soon. However, even if they do, I hope the St. Pats For All Parade continues, because it's a really wonderful, grassroots, charming event with real heart that stands on its own.
JMG:  Now that marriage is settled, what's next for the LGBT movement in Ireland?
PANTI: There are a few small legislative issues that still need to be tackled, in particular law that allows institutions with a "religious ethos" to discriminate against LGBTI people. It is particularly a problem here where primary schools are almost entirely under the control of religious orders. Historically, back when the Republic was young and broke, the state ceded the responsibility of primary schooling to religious orders and so LGBTI teachers are often forced into the closet for fear of losing their jobs. However hopefully that will be tackled soon as this government has committed to removing it. After that, like all minorities, we will still have to agitate to maintain our respect. Marriage equality and the achievement of full and equal citizenship under the law is huge, but as they say, "hearts and minds" change more slowly.
JMG:  Finally, let's get a wee bit personal. Is there a man in your life? What would your dream date look like?
PANTI: No there isn't! Which is a goddamn crime! I think part of the problem is that I'm a national fucking treasure, and nobody wants to fuck a national treasure. I think they think it'd be like masturbating on Mount Rushmore! But I live in hope. I live in hope of a mocha-skinned big-dicker top. But don't we all...

Labels: Ireland, JMG, LGBT History, Panti Bliss

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Today's Daily Dharma: Sit like a Buddha

 

Sit like a Buddha

There are times when the pain and awkwardness and strangeness fall away and you?re left with something sublime. Stillness. Joy. Clarity. Insight. Peace. Those moments make it easier to believe that this practice is positively affecting your life. - Brent R. Oliver, "5 Things That Might Surprise You about Meditation Retreats"

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Via JMG: A Clue From Notorious RBG?

Every word uttered by Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg is being scrutinized for possible clues to the coming ruling on same-sex marriage and some are seeing another hint in a comment made this weekend during an interview with the American Constitution Society. Via the Washington Post:

Asked about the public’s rapid acceptance of gay rights, she repeated her view that it was a natural response to gay Americans being more open about their sexuality. “Gay people stood up and said, ‘This is who I am,’” Ginsburg said, and Americans saw that the person was a neighbor, a child’s best friend or maybe even their own children. They were “people we know and love and respect.” As she was speaking, the gay pride parade was rolling through downtown just a few blocks away, and the Capital Hilton, where the ACS was meeting, was flying a rainbow flag just below Old Glory. “The court is not a popularity contest, and it should never be influenced by today’s headlines,” Ginsburg said. But she added that it “inevitably it will be affected by the climate of the era. “I think that’s part of the explanation of why the gay rights movement has advanced to where it is today — the climate of the era.”

The comment comes at the 51:00 mark below.



(Tipped by JMG reader Str8Grandmother)

Labels: marriage equality, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, SCOTUS

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Via JMG: Scott Lively's Crimes Against Humanity Trial Begins, Liberty Counsel Demands More Information From Ugandan Plaintiffs

 

The crimes against humanity lawsuit against Scott Lively began today with his Liberty Counsel lawyers demanding more information from the plaintiffs, Sexual Minorities Uganda (SMUG). Via MassLive:

Lively is being represented by the Liberty Counsel, based in Orlando, Florida, which bills itself on its website as "an international nonprofit litigation, education, and policy organization dedicated to advancing religious freedom, the sanctity of life, and the family." It has provided pro bono legal assistance on these and related topics since 1989. Attorney Roger Gannam on Tuesday argued that lawyers for the plaintiffs were being so surreptitious in turning over documents - already subject to an "attorney's eyes only" restriction - that it was hindering Lively's ability to wage an effective defense.
"Scott Lively has no desire for the information except for this lawsuit," Gannam argued to U.S. Magistrate Judge Katherine Robertson. "SMUG has not proved that it's reliable in deciding what Scott Lively should see and shouldn't see." In particular, the lawyer cited an email relating to a SMUG fund-raiser geared toward paying fees in the Lively case, which he said was so heavily redacted even the subject line was blacked out. Gannam also referred to images the plaintiffs have withheld of participants at the 2009 workshop in Uganda, which he argued Lively couldn't confirm were there if he can't see their faces. Gannam also suggested the plaintiffs' representation of the significance of the 2009 workshop in Uganda was overstated.

Lively did not attend today's hearing. According to the above-linked report, he is planning to move his ministry from Springfield to Riverside, California in order to "expand the brand."

RELATED:  On May 11th SMUG issued a subpoena which demands that notoriously anti-gay Ugandan Pastor Martin "Eat Da Poo Poo" Ssempa appear to testify at the trial. The subpoena included a $1900 check to cover Ssempa's travel costs from Uganda. Normally a prolific many-times-per-day Twitter user, Ssempa has not tweeted since the subpoena was issued.

Labels: Africa, crackpots, crimes against humanity, hate groups, lawsuits, Martin SSempa, religion, Scott Lively, Uganda

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Via JMG: MEXICO: Catholic Church Exorcises Satan Out Of Entire Nation Because Gays

 

Because gays and abortion, actually. Via Breitbart:

In an extraordinary act of spiritual warfare, several bishops and exorcist priests have performed what is being called a “Magno Exorcismo” (great exorcism) of the entire country of Mexico following a series of events that the bishops see as linked to the presence and influence of Satan. On May 20, the former Archbishop of Guadalajara, Cardinal Juan Sandoval Iñiguez [PHOTO], the Archbishop of San Luis Potosi, Carlos Cabrero, as well as several exorcist priests from various Mexican dioceses held a closed-door exorcism ritual at the Metropolitan Cathedral of San Luis Potosí. Bishop Cabrero explained the hush-hush nature of the ceremony, saying that otherwise “it arouses morbid curiosity and misinterpretations” when what we are after is simply “doing good for everyone.” In a telephone interview, Father Fortea declined to give details about the ceremony, but said that “undoubtedly the abortion, Satanism, corruption, the cult of ‘holy’ death and the legalization of sexual aberrations have caused great satanic infestation throughout Mexico.” All of this, he said, has unleashed widespread violence precisely because of the action of the devil. The purpose of the exorcism was to “drive the demons out of Mexico,” he said.

RELATED: On June 3rd the Mexican Supreme Court ruled that states may no longer ban same-sex marriage, although couples in the majority of Mexican states must still, for now, hire a lawyer, pay around $1000, and wait a month to obtain a judge's order to marry. Same-sex marriages have been recognized nationwide since Mexico City repealed its ban in 2010 and three states had already done away with their bans, but the latest ruling will surely expedite the removal of the remaining roadblocks.  

 

Labels: Catholic Church, exorcisms, religion, Satan

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Via Sri Prem Baba: Flor do Dia- Flor del Día- Flower of the day 16/06/2015

“Por que evitamos tanto o movimento em direção à nossa interioridade? Porque talvez seja mais desafiador do que você se mover em direção a outro planeta. Porque mover-se em direção àquilo que nunca morre, em direção ao Eterno dentro de nós, é onde reside a grande aventura.”
Ouça o Satsang completo: bit.ly/1CaQvPm

“¿Por qué evitamos tanto el movimiento en dirección a nuestra interioridad? Porque tal vez esto sea más desafiante que moverte en dirección a otro planeta. Porque moverse en dirección a aquello que nunca muere, en dirección al Eterno dentro nuestro, es donde reside la gran aventura.”

“Why are we so resistant to moving our attention inwards? Perhaps because it is more challenging to do this than it is to move towards outer space. The movement towards that which never dies, towards the Eternal within us, is where the great adventure lies.”

Today's Daily Dharma: The Dawning of Truth.

 

The Dawning of Truth

If we use the practice tools that develop intelligence and clarity with a confused, selfish motivation, reality is bound to collide with our fiction. This is where practice is supposed to bring us. This is the proof that the dharma works. It?s the end of our confused, fictive world, and the dawning of truth. - Lama Tsony, "Facing Fear"

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Via JMG: AUSTRALIA: Anti-Gay Couple May Not Be Able To Stay Together & Legally Divorce

Earlier this week an anti-gay Australian couple earned international headlines when they declared that that they will divorce in a symbolic stand against same-sex marriage. But as it turns out, their plan to remain living together may thwart any divorce under Australian law.

The Family Law Act states that an application for divorce will only be considered if the parties had separated and lived separately for a continuous period of at least 12 months. Family lawyer Denis Farrar said the court also needs to be satisfied that there is no reasonable likelihood of cohabitation being resumed. "It surprises me that any sensible person would make such a threat, because you can't get a divorce unless you've been separated for 12 months," he said. "It doesn't sound like Mr Jensen could truthfully swear that those facts are correct. And in that case he may apply for a divorce, but he won't get it unless he lies."
Mr Jensen conceded the Family Law Act may throw a spanner in the works. "There will be issues around the fact that we would have to prove that our marriage was irreconcilably broken, which it isn't," he said. But Mr Jensen said he and his wife could look at a legal challenge, which would leave them effectively fighting for their right to get divorced. "It would be quite ironic if the state wouldn't actually allow us to get divorced," he said. "If a group of people got together and said 'actually, we want to take this to the courts', then maybe that would be something we'd be involved with. It's something we take very seriously, and we feel in our conscience that we can't actually partake in any redefined marriage."

Jensen, not incidentally, is the former director of the Australian Christian Lobby.

 

Labels: Australia, crackpots, marriage equality, religion

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US Embassy Celebrates Tel Aviv Pride 2015

Via JMG: Wingnuts Cry "Staged!" After Gay Couple Kisses When Clinton Mentions Marriage

 

The Tea Things over at Twitchy are very upset that two men could be seen kissing as Hillary Clinton mentioned marriage equality during her speech at Roosevelt Island today. It took me about an hour of sorting through the various live feeds to find the right camera angle and take a screenshot, but as you can see the couple was standing in just the right spot.

Labels: 2016 elections, Hillary Clinton, marriage equality

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Today's Daily Dharma: Not Worth Clinging

 Image: Alfredo de Stéfano

Not Worth Clinging

Whenever you see yourself identifying with anything stressful and inconstant, you remind yourself that it?s not-self: not worth clinging to, not worth calling your self. This helps you let go of it. When you do this thoroughly enough, it can lead to awakening. - Thanissaro Bhikkhu, "What the Buddha Never Said: ?There is no Self.?"

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Today's Daily Dharma: Under One Umbrella

Doris Mitsch, courtesy of Clampart, New York City

Under One Umbrella

We should all be willing to suspend skepticism about unfamiliar forms of Buddhism and explore their texts and practices deeply and without presuppositions. If we do this hard work, we will find that these unfamiliar Buddhisms make sense in their own terms and deserve our respect. Whether they turn out to be more similar to or more different from our own Buddhism is irrelevant. If we investigate these myriad versions of Buddhism, we will understand how all of them are derived from the teachings of the one teacher we all revere. - Rita Gross, "Under One Umbrella"

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Today's Daily Dharma: It Starts with Humility

Image: Elegy 2011 by Cara Barer

It Starts with Humility

Humility is . . . the ground zero of spirituality, from which other helpful conditions may arise, such as gratitude and compassion.  - Henry Shukman, "The Art of Being Wrong"

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Via Sri Prem Baba: Flor do Dia- Flor del Día- Flower of the day 15/06/2015

“A verdadeira felicidade é aquela que vem de dentro, pois ela possibilita a experiência da liberdade. Uma coisa é você estar com o outro por amor, porque é bom estar próximo, porque existe uma sinergia, uma afinidade, e a energia cresce nesse encontro; e outra coisa bem diferente é acreditar que depende do outro para ser feliz.”

“La verdadera felicidad es aquella que viene de adentro, porque ésta posibilita la experiencia de la libertad. Una cosa es que estés con otro por amor, porque es bueno estar cerca, porque existe una sinergia, una afinidad, y la energía crece en ese encuentro; y otra cosa bien diferente es creer que dependes del otro para ser feliz.”

“True happiness comes from within, and allows you to experience freedom. You may be with someone out of love because it’s good to be close to them, and there is a synergy. The energy of this affinity grows with every encounter. That is the complete opposite of believing that your happiness is dependent on this person.”

Today's Daily Dharma: Free of Fear

Image: Stephen Webster/Photonica

Free of Fear

Being free of fear is not a matter of never feeling it, but of not being flattened when we do. We can feel it and know it is a natural phenomenon, also an impermanent one, which will have its say and be gone. - David Guy, "Trying to Speak: A Personal History of Stage Fright"

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